Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat base

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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby parpaite » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:53 pm

Biscarrosse seaplane base:

Je prends le temps pour répondre plus précisément aux questions de David Legg concernant l’hydrobase de Biscarrosse en donnant un historique rapide du lieu.

Tout d’abord il faut s’avoir qu’elle comprend 2 sites différant. La base d’essais Latécoère puis Bréguet créée en 1930 (nord du lac, lieu du RIH) cette base servait pour les vols d’essais de certification et de réception des hydravions de ces constructeurs.

Ensuite, il a été construit par l’état, la base de Biscarrosse Hourtiquets sur la rive ouest du lac.
Les travaux de cette base ont débutés fin 1937 et seront presque achevés courant 1942/43. Le premier appareil qui utilisera ces installations est le Laté 521 F-NORD le 8 aout 1938. Le 1er passage d’un appareil étranger fut le Boeing 314 Yankee Clipper en avril 1939, suivit d’un Catalina des American Export Airlines le 3 juillet. Les Short class C des Imperial Airways arrivent dès la création de son service d’escale. Air France Transatlantique débute ses vols expérimentaux sur l’Atlantique avec les Laté 521 et 522 (F-NORD et F-ARAP). Une première liaison sans escale sera réussie le 14 juillet 1939 par le F-NORD reliant New York à Biscarrosse en un peu plus de 33 heures de vol.
La base est transférée à l’aéronavale (navy) en juin 1939, au début du conflit. Elle est évacuée le 24 juin 1940 juste avant l’arrivée des Allemands. Les vols civils continuent cependant dans cette période (Air France Transat et Impérial Airways).

Sous l’occupation, sont basés BV 238, BV 222, Do 24, Do18, Arado 196, Bréguet Bizerte. La base est régulièrement survolée par la RAF de mai à juin 1943, puis attaquée à deux reprises en juin 1943 (destruction de 3 BV 138 et 3 BV 222). Après le départ du dernier appareil le 19 aout 1944, la base est définitivement évacuée le 23. Toutefois une grande partie des installations y seront détruites par minage avant le départ (hangars métalliques Nord et Sud, hangar central en béton, Hôtel, bateaux et appareils inutilisables coulés).

Fin 1945, les travaux de reconstruction de la base commencent en vue d’une remise en service au profit d’Air France (Sikorsky S43 de l’Aéromaritime et 3 Catalina sont mis en chantier dans les ateliers d’AF).
Dès 1945, les essais du Laté 631 débutent à la base Latécoère puis à partir des Hourtiquets. Air France inaugure la ligne des Antilles (Paris, Biscarrosse, Port Etienne, Fort de France) le 5 juillet 1947 avec le 631 F-BANU. Y sont affectés progressivement ensuite le F-BANT puis le F-BDRC. Cette ligne et stoppée brutalement avec la disparition en mer le 1er aout 1948 du BDRC. Une nouvelle campagne d’essais et de mise au point des 631 est alors menée. Ces appareils devaient être utilisés en Afrique pour transporter du fret par la SEMAF puis France Hydro. Seul le 631 F-BDRE sera mit en service, il ne revient à Biscarrosse que pour sa maintenance.
Dans le même temps les Short Sandringam de la BOAC transitent toujours par Biscarrosse.

Un dernier accident viendra donner un terme à l’exploitation des 631. Le F-BDRE s'écrase le 10 septembre 1955 près de Salambo au Cameroun. La base tourne alors au ralenti. Seule la BOAC puis les Aquila Airways y font toujours escale. En mars 1956 d’importantes chutes de neige recouvrent la région de Biscarrosse. Si les installations des Hourtiquets ne sont pas endommagées, ce n’est pas le cas de l’usine Latécoère où le hangar s’effondre sur deux laté 631.

De 1956 à 1958, quelques Grumann HU16 Albatross de l’USAFE viennent de Gatwick pour effectuer des entrainements au vol de nuit. C’est la fin de l’activité aérienne.
La base est affectée au ministère de la défense en 1962 pour y créer le Centre d’Essais des Landes, mais garde sont statut d’hydrobase.

En 1966 une campagne d’évaluation y est menée avec un Catalina de la Protection Civile pour la lute contre les incendies de forêts. Une autre évaluation est aussi menée en 1984 par la DGAC pour valider le programme de formation des pilotes civiles français.

1992, l’hydrobase de Biscarrosse Hourtiquets devient hydrobase de Biscarrosse Parentis et est réactivée pour l’aviation générale. Par contre, les installations terrestres restent dans le domaine militaire et ne sont pas utilisables.
Le premier RIH s’y déroule en septembre 1991.


Pour les autres questions :
• Le RIH se déroule bien à l’endroit où se trouvait le hangar Latécoère.
• La société Latécoère n’opérait pas sur la base des Hourtiquets en dehors de quelques travaux sur les 631 déjà en service.
• Il y avait bien un hangar (béton) entre les deux hangars métalliques. Les rails encore visibles sont bien ceux des portes de celui-ci.
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby parpaite » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:34 pm

you can see on line
http://search.babylon.com/?q=lat%C3%A9+ ... s=0&ac=284
a pps regarding the french latécoère 631 Walk-Rounds in and out side
i was wrote this one last few year ago.
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:26 pm

Again, courtesy of Google translator :

Biscarrosse seaplane base:

I take the time to respond specifically to questions about David Legg Waterdrome Biscarrosse by giving a brief history of the place.

First you have to have it include 2 sites differ. The basis of tests and Latécoère Breguet created in 1930 (north of the lake, instead of RIH) was used as the basis for test flights and certification for receipt of seaplanes of these manufacturers.

Then, it was built by the state, based Biscarrosse Hourtiquets on the western shore of the lake.
Work on this basis have begun late 1937 and will be almost complete current 1942/43. The first aircraft that will use these facilities is the F-521 NORTH Laté August 8, 1938. The first passage of a foreign aircraft was the Boeing 314 Yankee Clipper in April 1939, followed by a Catalina of American Export Airlines on July 3. The Short C class of Imperial Airways arrive at the inception of its ground handling. Transatlantic Air France began its test flights over the Atlantic with Laté 521 and 522 (F and F-NORTH-PFRA). A first successful nonstop service will be July 14, 1939 by F-NORTH from New York to Biscarrosse in just over 33 hours.
The base is transferred to the Naval (Navy) in June 1939, when the conflict began. She is discharged June 24, 1940 just before the Germans arrived. Civilian flights, however, continue in this period (Air Transat France and Imperial Airways).

Under occupation, are based BV 238, BV 222, Do 24, Do18, Arado 196, Breguet Bizerte. The database is regularly flown by the RAF from May to June 1943, then attacked twice in June 1943 (destruction of three BV 138 and BV 222 3). After the departure of the last fixture August 19, 1944, the base is permanently evacuated on 23. However many of the facilities will be destroyed by mining before departure (metal sheds north and south, central concrete warehouse, hotel, sunken boats and equipment unusable).

In late 1945, the reconstruction of the base begin to return to service in favor of Air France (Sikorsky S43 of the naval air and Catalina are three starts in the workshops of AF).
By 1945, testing of 631 Laté start at the base and then from Latécoère Hourtiquets. Air France launched online Caribbean (Paris, Biscarrosse, Port Etienne, Fort de France) July 5, 1947 with the F-631 BANU. Y are then gradually affected the F-and F-BANT BDRC. This line and stopped abruptly with the disappearance at sea on 1 August 1948 the BDRC. A new test campaign and development of 631 is then conducted. These devices should be used in Africa to transport freight by SEMAF Hydro and France. Only the F-631 BDRE be put in service, he returned to Biscarrosse for maintenance.
At the same time the Short Sandringam the BOAC continue to transit Biscarrosse.

A final accident will give an end to the exploitation of 631. The F-BDRE crashed Sept. 10, 1955 near Salambo in Cameroon. The base rotates while idling. Only then BOAC Airways Aquila there are still calling. In March 1956 a heavy snow cover area Biscarrosse. If Hourtiquets facilities are not damaged, it is not the case where the plant Latécoère the hangar collapsed on two lateral 631.

From 1956 to 1958, some Grumman HU16 Albatross USAFE come from Gatwick to conduct trainings to night flying. This is the end of aviation activity.
The base is assigned to the Defense Ministry in 1962 in order to create the Landes Test Centre, but are warning status seaplane.

In 1966 an evaluation campaign is conducted with a Catalina of Civil Protection for the lute against forest fires. Another evaluation is also conducted in 1984 by the DGAC to validate the program of French civilian pilot training.

1992, the seaplane seaplane becomes Hourtiquets Biscarrosse Biscarrosse Parentis is reactivated and for general aviation. By cons, ground facilities remain in the military and are not usable.
The RIH first held there in September 1991.


For other questions:
• The RIH is going well where the shed was Latécoère.
• Latécoère not active on the basis of Hourtiquets apart from some work on the 631 already in service.
• There was a shed (concrete) between two metal sheds. The rails are still visible though those doors it.
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:28 pm

"In translation, google is junk!"
I have to agree, but it's all I have at the moment.
Do you have a better translator (aside from having to learn a new tongue) ?

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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby parpaite » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:36 pm

thanks for yours translations
In the queen langage, read these good registrations: Laté 522 F-ARAP (F-PFRA) and Laté 631 F-BDRC (F-MBDR). This one was the only 631 with the Air France paint scheme !!! all other (10) was in natural alu
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby DavidLegg » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:49 pm

Many thanks indeed to all those who contributed answers to my original question. Since I posed it I have been back a second time in Catalina G-PBYA but have still not had time to visit the museum as too busy flying ;-) It is a fascinating place, particularly Hourtiquets, and I found the info provided very helpful. In particular it was interesting to know that Air France had Catalinas there briefly after the war and that Protection Civile trialled one there.

During the seaplane event at Biscarrosse this year, the slipway and ramp briefly became 'crowded when our Catalina was joined by a Beaver and the Sikorsky S-43 replica Osa's Ark when for various reasons they both had to come up the slip rather than moor at the Biscarrosse display site.
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby longshot » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:07 pm

Fans of Latecoere hydravions may enjoy some of these SDASMarchive flickr photos
http://www.flickr.com/search/?view=lg&w ... =latecoere
And in posting this I answered the question I was going to ask ....whether the inverted crane shot of F-NORD ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/7585526932/ ) was at Pensacola (Dec 1935)...another shot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6692036609/ ) confirms that Mick
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby Philthy » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:13 am

Parpaite, you asked about mooring buoys. Here is a drawing of the standard Short-type mooring buoy, used from at least 1938 onward. I'm not sure if the RAF used these types of buoy.

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Drawing: CAHS collection
Aeradio Operator John G. 'Johnnie' Walker, Karumba Flying Boat Base, 1938.
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Re: Latecoere, Lake Biscarrosse and Hourtiquets flying boat

Postby longshot » Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:08 pm

British Pathe have posted a large body of material on Youtube...(some has been available on their own site)....here's footage of the Lt Vaisseau at Biscarosse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5T2wmP7rI
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