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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:57 am

Okay Tasse, it's time for the SCAN Widgeons.
I suspect you might be waiting for #19 since it's the only one ever registered in Ireland.

The SCAN Widgeons were built under a licence from Grumman by the French company Societe de Constuctions Aero-Navales beginning in 1948.
Grumman supplied drawings, tooling and some components to the French.
Designated the SCAN 30 a total of 41 airframes were completed.
Originally powered with Mathis 8G40 inverted V-8 engines of 190hp most of the early prodution airplanes were flown with Salmson 8AS-00 inverted V-8 engines of 240hp.
Later one or two airplanes were powered with 260hp Lycoming GO-435s and one with 200hp deHavilland Gypsy Queen in line 6 cylinder engines.
Unfortunatly the company only sold 8 airplanes and the remaining 33 were purchased at auction and went to the United States and Canada.
The SCAN Widgeons have a poor reputation regarding corrosion control - there was very little of it done.
And, the French being the French, changed all the measurements, dimentions, fitting and fastener sizes, bearings, skin thicknesses etc., from inches to metric. making repairs very expensive and time consuming.
If (when) you get corrosion and replacements are needed you have to go to the next largest skin thickness/fastener size etc. .
A real pain in the ......... since you have to hog out the fastener holes and skin patches are either too thick or too thin.
It also makes the SCANs a little heavier giving them less useful load.
There was a fellow some years ago that had two of them and was completely reskinning both airplanes.
(I never did hear if he finished the project)
There are also rumors of a couple brand new, never flown SCANs still in the crates somewhere in the US, but I don't know for sure about those.

1 F-WFDM.

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1 F-WFDM.

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2 F-WFHB.

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2 N63L A Mansdorf Conversion.

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3 N62L.

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3 and 4 under construction.

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4 N57LM Mansdorf Conversion mid 1950s.

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4 N115WB July 1976.

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4 N350GW A Magnum Conversion Current.

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4 N350GW Current.

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12 N7911C.

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12 N7911C.

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12 N9711C.

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14 CF-LFQ.

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Don't stop me now ..............
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:59 am

Continuing with the SCANs.

16 N7912C Mansdorf Conversion.

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16 N3TD This was the Prototype for the Magnum Conversion, Current.

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16 N3TD Was previously registered N3N.

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16 N3TD.

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19 F-BGTD This was the sole Gypsy Queen powered Widgeon.

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19 VP-KNV.

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19 G-ARIX Was also registered EI-ALE at one time.
This photo was taken the day it crashed, 19-5-61.

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21 N7775C.

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21 N7775C.

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26 CF-SPA.

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28 CF-ODR In the 1960s.

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28 CF-ODR In the 1970s.

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28 CF-ODR Current (In Museum).

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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel ...........
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:01 am

This is the last of the SCAN Widgeon photos and almost the end of the thread.
I'll post an addendum later with pictures I found or won on eBay after I started the tread.
A Special Thanks to Bryan for letting burn up so much bandwidth with a 4 page thread.

30 N151SA This is another airplane I knew as a kid.
At the time it was flown for the Louisiana State Wildlife and Fisheries Commission by Buck Davis and was based at New Orleans Lakefront Airport.

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30 OE-FWS.

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30 OE-FWS.

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30 OE-FWS In it's last guise when owned by Red Bull.
The airplane sank in Italy, was raised and sold to a fellow in Alaska who is in the process of rebuilding it.
I picked this shot of the many I have of it because it shows the larger Mansdorf cabin door quite well.

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30 OE-FWS.

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31 N4453 "Da Plane Boss, Da Plane" from the TV show "Fantasy Island"
after the series finished.

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31 N4453 Mansdorf Conversion, Current.

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32 N7916C Franklin Conversion.

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32 N78X Current.

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33 N4451

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35 N18GW Current.

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41 N4122A

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41 N4122A

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And that's all of the list for now.
My thanks to all the people who have posted images on the web.
I've tried to keep as many names of the copyright holders as I could and hope they understand I posted their images in good faith and with no intention of profiting from their work and that all were posted under the Fair Use rules.
And that's all for now.
When/if I get more photos I'll post them.
There were 505 photos uploaded to Photobucket and I used all but 1 or 2 of them here.
But that's not all the Widgeon pictures I have, only a selection of most of the airplanes I have in the collection.
There are some I can't post or share due to contractual reasons.
Some like N63350 and N1340V I have dozens of photos of.
Others may have only been a poor copy of a scan taken from a magazine.
Once again I'm in debt to all those who posted pictures on the net or sent me copies from their own collections, Thanks again.
I hope some of you may have picked up a nugget of worthy information from all this, if so, then it was worth it.
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201, Addendum

Postby MrWidgeon » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:34 pm

Since the last time I posted any pictures I've come into some more, so here's the first of several additions.
Some are new, some are larger images of earlier postings and some are different views, enjoy.

1201 NX28633 on the step.

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1202 NC28664, this is a larger version of an earlier image.

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1206 OA-14 42-38223, one of hte few images of an OA-14 I've ever seen.

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1210 N254Q, a Franklin conversion.

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1222 V197, the first USCG J4F-1.

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More to follow in the days ahead.
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201, Addendum pa

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:53 pm

Continuing on,

1237 N37187, an early McDermott conversion.

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1239 N37189, McKinnon conversion.

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1239 N13789 again, in color.

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1263 USCG J4F-1 V215 in the mid war colors of Blue-Gray over Light Gray, most USN/USCG Widgeons wore this color scheme.

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1268 USCG J4F-1 V220, in the late war overall Aluminum paint scheme, most surviving Widgeons were repainted in this color scheme.

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More in a couple days.
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:28 am

Alright then, time for a few more.

1274 N67DF, a Franklin conversion and it's had the entire lower hull brought up to G-44A standards including the second step, the only G-44/J4F I've ever seen done like this.
It also has a Mansdorf door conversion.

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1281 N703, just a nice period color shot, it later had a McDermott conversion installed.

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1298 BuAer 32944, photo taken on May 8, 1943, a cleaner version of an earlier posting.

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1299 N299CN, front view of an earlier posting, it also shows a lot of the structure that goes under the skin.

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More later.
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:36 pm

It's now later.
1301 N79905, being recovered from it's crash site in the 1970s, new photo.

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1306 CF-QPL, a larger version of an earlier posting.

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1319 N1595V, circa 1962, new view.

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1319 N1595V, Lake Cushman, Washington early 1990s, new view.

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1321 NC67794, another working Widgeon in St. Petersburg, Alaska.
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More coming.
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby Cameraman » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:01 pm

Hi MrW,

we'll be watching.

Regards

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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:41 pm

Your wait is over Reggie.

1325 N67646, Another very long term rebuild, this airplane has been in rebuild for over 20 years, new photo.

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1330 BuAer # 32976, New photo showing the 15-1 hull, the longest hull tested. The camera/viewing window is visible on the hull bottom.

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1334 CF-PNT, Larger version of an earlier photo.

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1334 N90727, Current photo showing it's new 3 blade props.

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1338 N69067, In 1952, new photo.

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Now go back to waiting for another couple days.
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Re: From the beginning, starting with C/N 1201,

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:05 pm

Time for another batch.

1343 N77BD, new photo.

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1360 BuAer 37730, This was a new find for me.
This is 1 of 4 ex US Navy J4F-2s that was given to the US Coast Guard in the early 1950s to replace the J4F-1s that had been retired.
I had no idea that the USCG had ever operated J4F-2s.

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1365 N9218H, new photo.

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1367 OH-GWA, the only Widgeon to operate on the Finnish register, new photo.

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1386 N101PE, 1981, new photo.

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1386 N101PE, current almost correct late war paint scheme, new photo.

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I'm back under my rock now.
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