Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

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Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby Rajay » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:29 pm

I've been trying to identify this Goose for quite a while with no luck.

It shows a battered-looking Goose in front of the Alaska Dept. of Fish & Game shack at Sand Point, Alaska in 1971.

I can't see any identifying marks or registration on the Goose, but the paint scheme itself seems to be unique. At least I have never found anything similar to it in any of the other hundreds of photos that I have of Gooses.

The photo is hosted on a personal tribute site for a guy named Jim Starkey and it is presumably owned by someone in the Starkey family, but I couldn't find any personal contact info anywhere on the site. (http://home.comcast.net/~starbros/jim_starkey_memorial/)

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Any help identifying this Goose would be greatly appreciated....
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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby MrWidgeon » Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:30 pm

Dave, I put out an APB on it to an old Alaska hand that knows just about all the Grummans that ever flew up there.
We'll see what he can remember in a few days.
I'll let you know.

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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:57 am

Dave, I struck out on the APB, but I did have a thought on where to start.
Looking at the paint scheme I have a hunch it might have been an ex RCAF airplane (the Red/Orange Rescue stripe, Silver under the White paint, the hull stripe), so I did a little digging and found that 2 Gooses went straight from the post war RCAF to the US register.
There may have been others, but these are the only 2 I could find in the Grumman Guidebook.
B54 BuAer 37801, formerly RCAF 387 became N2721A.
Unfortunately I have a shot of N2721A in Chalks colors taken in 1970, so that scratches that one.
That leaves :
B60 BuAer 37807, formerly RCAF 388 became N4762.
If you can match that registration to a Goose used by the USDI/ASDF&G/BLM I'd say you have your airplane.
It may not have been either airplane, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.
Rots O Ruck.

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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby Rajay » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:32 pm

I don't have any intermediate history info for B-60, N4762C but if it was actually with Antilles Air Boats "by 1971" as my notes indicate, it doesn't seem likely either.

For B-54: was USN JRF-5, BuAer 37801. RCAF 387, used by No. 167 (Comm) Squadron, RCAF Station Dartmouth, NS, 1944 to 1945. Category C damage at Moncton, NB on 30 June 1944.To civil register postwar as N2721A, then VH-CRL in Australia, then PK-LEH in Indonesia. Owner unknown and Fate Unknown; http://www.airliners.net photo - Tasman Airlines blue & white scheme w/ US reg? (Probably while being re-conditioned by Dean Franklin prior to actually going to Australia. There was a bright orange rudder in our warehouse w/ "N2721A" in a vertical black stripe on it.

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For B-60: was USN JRF-5, BuAer 37807. RCAF 388, Operated by No. 122 (K) Squadron on west coast, 1944. Used by No. 166 Squadron, RCAF Station Sea Island, BC, 1944 to 1945. Reported Category A damage on 13 April 1945, apparently repairable. Alaska Coastal-Ellis Airlines/ Antilles Airboats by 1971/ Fate unknown; presumed to have been scrapped in St. Croix, de-registered Oct. 15, 1981.
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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:37 pm

Well, I said it was a long shot.
Going by that paint scheme I still think it may have been an ex RCAF airplane.
Do you know of any others ?

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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby Rajay » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:16 pm

Bill, did you include Guy Denton in your APB distribution list? I shoulda thought of that earlier...
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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:11 pm

No, we've discussed it before & he didn't know anything either.
I went to the guy HE would have gone to.

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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby Rajay » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:49 pm

Steve Harvey?
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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby MrWidgeon » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:50 pm

Yep.
And scored ZERO.

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Re: Unidentified Goose - Jim Starkey, Sand Point, AK 1971

Postby Rajay » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:18 pm

Such research wouldn't be "fun" if it was that easy!

How sure are you that the paint scheme is ex-RCAF SAR?
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