N221AG - Disasterous & tragic crash of Feb. 27, 2011

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N221AG - Disasterous & tragic crash of Feb. 27, 2011

Postby Cameraman » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:54 pm

Sorry to advise but I've just heard that N221AG, the beautiful Goose that was at Farnborough airshow has been involved in a crash in the UAE, with the loss of of all four souls on board.

Condolences to family and friends.

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Re: N221AG crashed

Postby Rajay » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Yes it did and it's a terrible tragedy to lose four folks who were so passionately involved with the Goose and with other Grumman seaplanes as well.

Chuck Kimes, along with his partner Ray Wolfe (who was not onboard at the time) operated Seaplane Operations LLC and offered training and other services relative to Grumman Albatross seaplanes. Ray recently helped to "crew" an Albatross that was used to ferry relief and medical supplies from Florida to Haiti after the devastating earthquake there.

The "preliminary" accident report by the official investigating authority, the General Civil Aviation Authority of the United Arab Emirates, was released a week ago (Sunday April 3, 2011.) It can be downloaded via the following link. Be warned - there are graphic color photos of the wreckage in the report. (And apparently the records for the aircraft are so screwed up, they think it had "Pratt & Whitney" TPE331 series engines.)

URL: http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublication/admin/iradmin/Lists/Incidents%20Investigation%20Reports/Attachments/15/2011-2.%20Preliminary%20Report%20-%20Published%203-4-11.pdf

PS - And "beautiful" - really? Most people seem to think otherwise!
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Re: N221AG crashed

Postby MrWidgeon » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:15 pm

Thanks for the link, not very informative, but more than I'd heard before.
What are the guessers giving as a cause ?
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Re: N221AG crashed

Postby Rajay » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:44 pm

Here it is five months later (after my post last April regarding the errors in the UAE GCAA preliminary report regarding the accident) and apparently nothing has been done yet to correct the blatant errors in that report.

Maybe they're still searching for the "black boxes" that were discussed in some of the original news stories (of course, there weren't any!)

If they can't get right those kinds of simple (and obvious) details, what hope to they really have to determine what actually went wrong during that last take-off?
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Re: N221AG crashed

Postby Rajay » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:41 pm

Today is the first anniversary of the crash of N221AG, the so-called "Aleutian Goose", but there is still no word of any definitive evidence coming to light regarding the cause or causes of its crash. Note: experience has shown that such crashes are almost never the result of just one thing; they are almost always the result of a series of events, mishaps, or failures - any one of which could have prevented the accident if it had been avoided and that particular chain of events broken.

A recent article on the Kathyrn Report aviation crash/news blog discusses the grief and uncertainty that the families of the people who died in the crash still face. It also states that parts of the wrecked aircraft, the engines in particular, were sent to labs in the US for analysis, but that there is still no word from them.

And the UAE GCAA still has NOT made any corrections to the errors that they made in their "preliminary" accident report first published online about 2 months after the crash - in other words, some 10 months ago! The way that things have been going, I don't have a lot of confidence that they'll ever figure it out.
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Re: N221AG crashed

Postby Rajay » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:43 pm

Another 8 months have gone by and there is still no official "word" about what may have caused the crash.

The UAE GCAA eventually released an "Interim" report on the accident in which they clarified the "official" (but still technically incorrect*) identification of the aircraft as a "McKinnon G-21G" (*which it was NOT because it was neither "built" actually by McKinnon nor ever "conformed" as a model G-21G.) They have a copy of the revised report posted at:

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublication/admin/iradmin/Lists/Incidents%20Investigation%20Reports/Attachments/15/2011-Interim%20Report%20-%20McKinnon%20G-21G%20-%20N221AG%20-%20Report%2002%202011.pdf

The NTSB in the US on the other hand, still has not updated or corrected their initial accident report summary here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20110317X75846&key=1

It still lists the aircraft as a "Grumman 21" but eventually I expect both the NTSB and the UAE GCAA to recognize the fact that N221AG should have been registered and otherwise "officially" identified as a "Fish & Wildlife Service" model "G-21F" because, even though such a thing was never officially approved or certified by the FAA, that is who actually "built" it and as what (Ref. 14 CFR 45.13a.) And of course, because the design was not certified and because the "builder" was not either, it should have been operating only under an Experimental certificate of airworthiness (IMPO.)
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Re: N221AG - Disasterous & tragic crash of Feb. 27, 2011

Postby Rajay » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:42 am

Latest "news" such as it is regarding a potential "final" report on the accident just recently popped up here:

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/accident-investigation-report-on-al-ain-seaplane-crash-is-almost-ready
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Re: N221AG - Disasterous & tragic crash of Feb. 27, 2011

Postby Rajay » Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:58 am

Final report just released:

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublication/admin/iradmin/Lists/Incidents%20Investigation%20Reports/Attachments/44/2011-Final%20Report%20-%20McKinnon%20G-21G%20-%20N221AG%20-%20Report%2002-2011.pdf

But sometimes those long links don't work when pasted as text where they get wrapped to another line. Also can be found here:

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/epublication/pages/investigationreport.aspx

I'll be curious to see and/or hear what others make of it....
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