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Ever wonder what is involved in flying a Grumman Goose?

Postby OGJ » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:51 pm

Now that I'm back online on the forum after an e-mail crash and with the thankful help from Bryan, I'm back and have a little info on the Grumman Duck that will be coming up in the near future but in the meantime check out the following on the Grumman Goose c/n 1161.

Ever wonder what is involved in flying a Grumman Goose? Enter (below) and check out c/n 1161.

First, we start in the Grumman Amphibians Bible by Fred J. Knight and Colin R. Smith, on page 323, where we find where c/n 1161 came from:

The manufacturer’s numbers (c/n’s) 1125 - 1174 were allocated to fifty G-38 model navigation trainer aircraft that were protracted contracted negations, eventually procured for the British Fleet Air Arm under Lend-Lease. The aircraft were known as Goose IA in British service and received the unique US Navy designation JRF-6B. No US Navy/BuAer serials were initially allocated to these aircraft although US records indicate that the reference numbers ‘0181B’ to ’0230B’ were allocated as a pre-delivery naval administrative identity but these numbers were not true BuAer/US Navy ’serials’. At an early stage of the procurement process it is believed that the British serials BW778 to BW827 were reserved for the intended acquisition but they were later cancelled and re-allocated to another unrelated and subsequently cancelled purchase.

As will be read below, six aircraft were diverted from this contract (LL-86447) by the US Government prior to delivery into British hands. At the close of the war, all surviving aircraft were returned to the US Government and 36 JRF-6Bs were given new and ‘real’ BuAer identifies in 1946. These serials, 66325 to 66359 and 89492 (randomly allocated) had previously been allocated to other US Navy aircraft on contracts that had been cancelled at the war’s end.

In the following listing of these 50 aircraft the suggested ‘BW’ serials and the ’0181B’ etc numbers have been ignored as being, irrelevant to their histories (although c/n 1146 is perhaps the exception that proves the rule!). In this context it should be noted that the US Army Air Force records raised in 1942 for the diverted aircraft 1155 to 1159 identify them by the manufacturer’s number (eg 1155) and the intended British ‘FP’ serial and not by any US Navy identity.

Then on page 329 of the Grumman Amphibians Bible, we find:

c/n 1161 — Built for Great Britain as JRF-6B/Goose IA, with serial FP511. Delivered December 31, 1942 and TOC by 749 Sqn, FAA, Piarco, Trinidad, coded ‘W2R’. Returned to US Govt. in 1945 and taken on US Navy charge with new serial Bu #66331. Pool NAS Miami by Jan. 1946; NAS Seattle March 22, 1946 and SOC there Sept. 30, 1946 as obsolete and surplus. Regd. as G-21A, NC95467 to Amphibian Air Transport, Long Beach, CA., in 1947 and later as N95467. To Hardy Aviation Inc., Waynesboro, PA and being overhauled and for sale at $25,000 when inspected by BOAC at TFH: 1,766hrs, in May 1950. Sold to Gulf Oil of Louisiana Inc., Houston, TX, with CofA dated March 25, 1956. To Irving L. Jones, Miami, FL, by June 1963. To Antilles Air Boats, Christiansted, US Virgin Islands after June 1, 1964; aircraft name: “Excalibur VI”. Non-fatal accident, August 27, 1965: pilot forgot to extend landing gear to taxi up the ramp at Christiansted, and hit the seawall. Pilot + ten passengers uninjured, but aircraft substantially damaged. Accident Dec. 5, 1967: substantial damage when stalled on take-off at Tortola, British Virgin Islands. Pilot + ten passengers uninjured. To KC Aircraft Sheet Metal, Long Beach, CA, by 1978. To Air Pac, Seattle, WA, 1978. Later operated out of Dutch Harbor, AK. Accident at 1345hrs on Nov. 11, 1978: struck shipping buoy during water take-off, Akutan Bay, AK for intended flight to Dutch Harbor, AK; pilot + one passenger uninjured but aircraft substantially damaged. To Air Metal Fabricators Inc., Arlington, WA, with CofR Nov. 4, 1991. Trucked to Plan Springs Air Museum, CA in 1996 at TFH: 8,565hrs. Assembled and displayed without serial, in blue US Navy scheme and noted there July 2004. Registry status uncertain Sept. 2011, due undelivered Triennial, but noted for sale “as a project” for $200,000 Nov. 2011. To Addison J. and Wendra M. Pemberton, Spokane, WA, with CofR Jan. 24, 2012. Current and airworthy as of May 2013, with CofR due to expire Jan. 31, 2015.

As of October, 2021 USCAR shows:
N-Number: N95467
Manufacturer Name: Grumman
Serial Number: 1161
Model: G-21A
Status: Valid
Certificate Issue Date: 01/24/2012
Expiration Date: 01/31/2024
Reg. Owners: Addison J. Pemberton and Wendra M. Pemberton, 5302 North Vista Ct., Spokane, Washington.

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Now we come to the aircraft itself, I like the way he named the engines, “Nip” and “Tuck”

All videos below are from Pemberton & Sons Aviation - Felts Field, Spokane, WA. and anyone who is interested in the Grumman Goose should find them highly informative and very interesting, well, at least I did.

Grumman Goose Restoration - 35:19 min. (Shows what family members, friends, volunteers, 8000+hrs & $$$$$$ can do) In December of 2011, Pemberton and Sons Aviation embarked on the restoration of the Grumman Goose. Here's six years of work and fun in raising this historic aircraft back to the skies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XsFkw58wo

All 9 episodes of “Grumman Goose Checkout” can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5

Or the 9 episodes individually can be found below: approx. total time - 1hr & 38 min.

Grumman Goose Checkout Part I: Introduction and History of our G-21 Grumman Goose - 5:04 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UZgwAbGOTc&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=1

Grumman Goose Checkout Part II: Exterior Preflight - 20:30 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQq_Vbpaxn8&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=2

Grumman Goose Checkout Part III: Interior Preflight - 26:24 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frzEWmceDeE&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=3

Grumman Goose Checkout Part IV: Engine Startup - 6:11 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5lq_6C9SOs&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=4

Grumman Goose Checkout Part V: Land Take Off - 7:53 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZWNrrpCDmU&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=5

Grumman Goose Checkout Part VI: Water Landing - 13:04 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlUbMZAzKrQ&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=6

Grumman Goose Checkout Part VII: Water Take Off - 9:44 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6jz1jzW9vk&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=7

Grumman Goose Checkout Part VIII: Land Landing - 7:50 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0De7VPwzPmY&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=8

Grumman Goose Checkout Part IX: Engine Shutdown - 1:14 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpdFqcjWm_c&list=PLVpZelfqwlC0GrnCsrG5lcl0OP71pmrn5&index=9

And a couple more:

Grumman Goose, Pemberton and Sons, Newman Lake Rides, June 2017 - 6:18 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYVXzqxnw0E

Montana Splash In 2021 - 5:35 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHvrdaELev8

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Re: Ever wonder what is involved in flying a Grumman Goose?

Postby MrWidgeon » Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:47 am

Good stuff, Thanks.
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Re: Ever wonder what is involved in flying a Grumman Goose?

Postby dogsbody » Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:40 pm

A great entry to the forum!

Thanks for the addition.




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