15 feet of Albatross

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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby dogsbody » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:36 pm

No need to apologize for any delay. I fully understand. I suffer from CRS: Can't Remember S@#t!


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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby MrWidgeon » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:13 pm

The number 402 was the Construction Number, c/n G-402 which was BuNo 137929.
I have two images of it, one when it was still on active duty at Iwakuni, Japan and one in the boneyard.
(I hope they come through, 1st time I've tried this with Flickr)

https://www.flickr.com/gp/62818791@N00/Csmkm8
https://www.flickr.com/gp/62818791@N00/47tb09
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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby dogsbody » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:05 am

That's a big negative on the Flickr images. Nothing showing here and when I click on the link, there's nothing there.


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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby Millicent2 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:47 am

No access to the Flicker photos for me either, but I bet I have those photos myself, from when I first started digging online months ago.
And I also matched 402 to 137929, and 404 to 137931. There is at least one website that has both number series on one page.
And I found the auction listings from 2008, complete with the Sold! prices.

Looks like this was an advertisement from before the auction:
http://safarri.com/ad-634

This is the auction. Scroll down and you will find both.
http://www.liveauctionworld.com/Airpowe ... on_as15839

On this one, scroll down and find them with both numbers listed.
http://www.hu-16.com/current.htm

Here is 402 in storage:
https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1463005

Here are photos -- five of 137929 and two of 137931:
http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs2-u16.html

Here is another list, with the three-digit numbers and tail numbers, looks like to me. 402 and 404 are by themselves all the way at the bottom.
http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Albatross%20census.htm

I have more. LOL

As always, I sure appreciate EVERY clue I receive.
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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby MrWidgeon » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:23 am

Well....... shucks.
Okay Chris, can you walk me through the posting thicket in Flickr then ?
You said you had it figured out (you have my email right ?).

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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby dogsbody » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:23 pm

Okay, as long as you're using a PC, not a phone or tablet.
Open Flickr and find the image you want.
Click on it to open it on it's own
To the lower right of the image, you will see 4 icons. Choose the right-turning arrow and click on it.
A small white window will open up with this info on it.


"Share 1 photo to:

Share Embed Email BBCode "

Here there is a blue highlighted bar of code



" Header

Footer

Slideshow
Medium 512 × 618 "



Make sure to choose the BBCode option, as that is what you need to post here.
The bottom box with the numbers in it is the size option. The largest option should fit on here but just to be safe, keep it between 800X600 and 1024X800.
If your image is smaller, don't sweat it. it will be okay.

Lastly, right click on the blue highlighted code bar and choose COPY from the menu window.

Now paste that into the reply box. Click SUBMIT and that should be it.


ImageAAM 178 by Chris Eldridge, on Flickr



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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby Millicent2 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:54 am

On an other board, I use the board's own Attachment option, but that does not seem to work here. All such features cost money -- I do understand that.
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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby Millicent2 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:33 am

And... we have the final answer!
Mine is indeed 402.
George Armstrong of Scotland, who is active on this board, found photos of both 404 and 402 at La Paz Naval Base in 1991, with the numbers visible. They sit among various scrap metal, so are clearly retired by that time. They were transferred to the Mexican Navy in 1981.

In the La Paz photos, 404 has pretty good orange paint on the nose, and 402 has mostly faded-away orange paint on the nose, and that matches the planes auctioned at Lampson Field in 2009. (Not 2008, as I may have mistakenly typed previously.)
I have the faded one -- 402.

THANK YOU!, George and all the rest who helped with this identification!

The project will proceed as funds and time allow -- which means... "no hurry". Maybe three years.

By the way.... What would be the proper word or term for what I have -- the front 15 feet of the plane (to the propeller line, right behind the bulkhead)? It is more than the "flight deck", I think? And "cockpit"? And more than the "nose"? Of course, there may not exist a specific term for this.
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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby GeorgeArmstrong » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:24 am

Hi Elliot
Don't mix up G402, which is manufacturers serial number, and was delivered to US Navy as 137929, later sold to Mexican Navy but never identified by Mexican seriel, MP-???.
402 that you have, is Mexican Navy MP-402, which I believe to have been ex-canadian, and to be G454, G455, or G456.
Enquiries still continuing.
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Re: 15 feet of Albatross

Postby Millicent2 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:31 am

Yikes! I never dreamed there could be two different series of numbers in the same range!
But that would explain why MP-402 and MP-404 are listed separately at the bottom of this page:
http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Albatross%20census.htm

AND it would explain the large RESCUE lettering on my plane. So far as I know, that was used only in Canada. Wow.

I simply assumed (yes, I know) the prefix changed when "crossing the border" -- not the number.

Wow. How comical! Looks like I spent hours and hours researching two entirely unrelated planes! Because of the COINCIDENCE of US and Mexican numbers having similar appearance (if that is a good term for it).

So....

On this page: http://www.hu-16.com/current.htm

I see that G454 is Mexican MP-501 (and on museum display in Mexico).

G455 is shown as Probably Destroyed.

G456 is in Flyable Storage in Arizona, USA.

That could -- could with a C -- make mine G455.

(Deep breath. LOL)

Of the ten planes listed as Canadian, there are three more that are also shown as Probably Destroyed. But you were able to eliminate those from contention, George? Just curious to learn how.

Well, that was the one piece of my puzzle that did not fit. The RESCUE. And I "was willing" to ignore it. I figured it could have been slapped on there temporarily -- maybe for a display or an air show.

What a lesson for me. Never assume ANYTHING!

Start over. LOL
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