BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

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BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby Rajay » Sun May 12, 2013 7:29 pm

be the "Grumman HU-16 Albatross Reference Archive" with all capital letters in the model designation? After all, it's not a Russian aircraft like an Antonov "An", Mikoyan Gurevich "MiG", Sukhoi "Su", or Tupolev "Tu".

Sorry to be so picky - just wanted to have something new here. It's been too long since there was anything else.... :?

If you change/edit/correct the title of this archive, I'll even "let" you delete this thread. (Not that I could stop you from just administratively deleting it anyway!)
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Re: BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby dogsbody » Sun May 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Good eye, Rajay. I never noticed that before.

Yeah, Bryan. You should fix this, please.


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Re: BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby Rajay » Sun May 12, 2013 10:26 pm

Oh no, now he might think that we're ganging up on him! ;)
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Re: BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby Rajay » Sun May 12, 2013 11:23 pm

maybe this will soften the blow...

Part of the "problem" is that Grumman Albatrosses have gone by so many different designations. How many did you already know?

USAF:
SA-16A (pre-1962 designation of short-wing G-64 variant)
SA-16B (pre-1962 designation of long-wing G-111 variant)
HU-16A (post 1962 designation of short-wing G-64 variant)
HU-16B (post 1962 designation of long-wing G-111 variant)

US Navy:
XJR2F-1 (2 pre-production prototypes)
PF-1 (initial procurement contract designation for model G-64 short-wings, all were transferred to/completed for USAF as SA-16A aircraft.)
UF-1 (first short-wing variants obtained by USN - prior to 1962)
UF-2 (subsequent long-wing conversions built for USN - prior to 1962)
HU-16C (post 1962 designation for UF-1 aircraft)
HU-16D (post 1962 designation for UF-2 aircraft)

USCG:
UF-1G (pre-1962 designation for USCG short-wing Albatrosses)
UF-2G (pre-1962 designation for USCG long-wing Albatrosses)
HU-16E (post 1962 designation for long-wing Albatrosses operated by USCG.)
Note: the Coast Guard got rid of or converted all of their short-wing Albatrosses prior to 1962, so there were no UF-1G aircraft to be re-designated in 1962.

Other:
CSR-110 (RCAF) initial 1,525 hp R-1820-82 (S2F “Tracker” QEC) powered long-wing variant

and Grumman (often used only "in-house") model or “design” numbers:
G-64 – the original short-wing general production variant for all customers
G-111 – USAF long-wing conversion variant more commonly identified as HU-16B
G-191 – USN type model UF-2 produced for Germany
G-211 – US Navy long-wing conversion variant more commonly identified as HU-16D
G-231 – RCAF model CSR-110 produced for Canada
G-234 – initial long-wing variant produced for US Coast Guard (i.e. HU-16E)
G-251 - specialized ASW (SHU-16B) variants initially produced for Norway using rebuilt USAF aircraft, but field tested by the US Navy.
(Some aircraft later went to Greece.)
G-262 – last original production variants, long-wing Navy-type models UF-2 for Japan (JMSDF) also with 1,525 hp R-1820-82 "Tracker" QEC's
G-270 – follow-on contract for additional long-wing HU-16E aircraft for USCG
G-288 – follow-on contract for additional long-wing HU-16E aircraft for USCG
G-315 – long-wing conversions built for Chile
G-333 – long-wing conversions built for Argentina
G-341 – long-wing conversions built for Peru
G-342 – long-wing conversions built for Spain

and of course the models "G-111" that, unlike the originals for the USAF, were rebuilt by Grumman in the early 1980's and actually certified by the FAA under TCDS no. A22SO per Part 25 Transport category standards effectively making them "airliners".

So, consider the fact that all of these designations applied to a production run of only 464 aircraft - plus 2 prototypes. :roll:
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Re: BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby seawings » Mon May 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Hi Guys,

Duly done! Thanks for pointing that out Rajay, I don't mind at all.
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Re: BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby dogsbody » Tue May 14, 2013 12:43 am

See, Rajay. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and ye shall receive.



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Re: BTW Bryan, shouldn't this archive...

Postby seawings » Tue May 14, 2013 8:08 am

dogsbody wrote:See, Rajay. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and ye shall receive.



Chris


Ok, I want one of those Albatrosses - don't mind which one.............
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