Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby AndersG » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:22 pm

Just insert the video code he posted in the usual youtube URL to see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0OUK6iNUXo
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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby dogsbody » Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:13 pm

Much better. Thanks.
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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby longshot » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:53 am

The lettering on G-AETZ looks very black to me and it appears to be genuine colour film...Mick
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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby PaulM » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:18 pm

Hi Mick,
Studied that and other movies allready, and indeed, letters are looking rather black, but.........
[color=#000080]"A couple of days ago I got hold of my friend Adrian Constable, who works in the BA archive, and asked him for info on the colouring of the letters of the Short Empires. It turns out that it is more complicated than it seems to be. The standard colour of these in the days of Imperial Airways was dark blue''[/color]

Never the less: I will make them letters dark blue......... :mrgreen:

Only a matter of a few more weeks to go and the flying boat is ready to go !

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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby Silentflyer » Fri May 02, 2014 1:30 pm

I am with Paul on this one.
The guy at the BA archives highlights what has been an ongoing debate, with the anodised aluminum giving a cream colour to the NZ flying boat AMA.
I don’t think they were a bright silver. As for the registration letters in the film Paul, I looked at some of the known black objects near the lettering, and I think that they are dark blue, but its hard to tell. Go with the archive guy Paul, as they probably have the original specs for the orders still, which will go into great detail about liveries etc, and not leaving it down to amateur assessments from the likes of me…..
My model of AMA is now sporting a very, very light grey/sliver, which almost appears white.
Anyone got a decent 3 view drawing of the Solent BTW. I need it for the next model, so it will need some reasonably accurate cross sections to the drawing etc.
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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby longshot » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:39 pm

Bumping this one again....I was looking at the 1940 colour photos of CLARE at La Guardia, New York
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/64c028a70b50b424.html


...the upper surfaces are camouflage but the wetted part of the hull is possibly the standard Short anodised aluminium finish (these early large format Kodachromes have a heavy blue cast) The inserted versions are colour adjusted in photoshop to remove the blue cast
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Re: Short Empire hull colours - an article of interest...?

Postby Philthy » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:38 am

Longshot,

Based on a fairly extensive study of the camouflaged Empire boats, my opinion is that they were all left with the bare anodised aluminium finish on their undersides although the official temperate maritime scheme called for Sky undersides. Furthermore, the demarcation line between upper and lower seems to have varied considerably. My feeling is that as the war went on the hull demarcation was generally raised from the waterline to where you see it on Clare on many boats, probably because of the constant wear lower down caused by launches coming alongside.
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